Inquiry with Kelly Chase

Something shifted in 2021 — not just for Kelly, but for an unusual number of people all at once. In this Field Notes episode, she thinks aloud about a pattern she keeps running into: waves of consciousness-altering experiences that clustered around a single year, reported independently, with near-identical features and near-identical language. More than a few people, without any prompting, reached for the exact same phrase to describe what happened to them: a sleeper agent, activated. She traces the pattern outward — from veteran UFO researcher Stan Gordon's description of 2021 as the year "they opened all the cages at the Cryptid Zoo," to Edgar Mitchell's overview effect, to the measurable weakening of Earth's electromagnetic field and the approaching solar maximum — and keeps arriving at the same question: what changed? This episode doesn't offer a single answer, just a few working theories held together honestly and the growing sense that 2021 may have been a threshold rather than an anomaly. If you're a member of the anomalous class of 2021, this one's for you. Find the full transcript on my Substack. 🗒️ About Field Notes Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that haven't yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com. Topics explored: Anomalous class of 2021 | consciousness shifts | sleeper agent activation | collective awakening | overview effect | Edgar Mitchell | space psychology | Earth's electromagnetic field | solar cycles | geomagnetic weakening | pandemic isolation | shared reality collapse | threshold events | hundredth monkey effect | cryptid surges | window areas | Stan Gordon | Kecksburg | high strangeness | collective observation | quantum mechanics and perception | reality porosity | precognitive dreams | non-human intelligence contact | experiencer testimony | field notes Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm. Referenced In This Episode Here are the episodes where Kelly talks about her anomalous experience in 2021: Cosmosis: Origins Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube Through The Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation Into The Anomalous Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia Watch Season 1 of Comosis: UFOs & A New Reality Prime Video Tubi TIMESTAMPS 01:43 Sleeper Agent Pattern 03:37 Is 2021 a Wave 05:09 Kecksburg Turning Point 06:34 Threshold Consciousness Theory 09:01 Overview Effect Clues 10:40 Earth Field and Solar Cycles 12:43 Pandemic Isolation Theory 15:53 What It Means Going Forward Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Something has shifted dramatically in the last few years. The institutions and information structures we were trained to trust have failed in ways that are now difficult to ignore, producing a kind of generalized mistrust that makes it hard to think, hard to act, and hard to know what a good life even looks like anymore. In this episode, Kelly sits down with philosopher and author James Madden to examine what it means to navigate belief and meaning when the ground beneath shared reality has already given way. Jim is the author of Unidentified Flying Hyper-Object: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World and Thinking About Thinking: Mind and Meaning in the Era of Techno-Nihilism, the cohost of The Great Dangerous Books Podcast, and a longtime thinking partner whose refusal to offer easy answers has made him a favorite among listeners of Kelly's previous work. They talk about the complacent indifference that has settled over people in the wake of seemingly endless waves of institutional scandal and revelation. They talk about conspiracy thinking as a cognitive response to the collapse of trusted authority—and why the fact that some conspiracies turn out to be real makes the situation harder to navigate, not easier. They talk about why generalized epistemic mistrust is such an effective mechanism for preventing meaningful action. And they talk about what it means to keep trying to live well when you can no longer trust the information you would need to do it. Topics explored: epistemological collapse | conspiracy thinking as cognitive response | institutional trust failure | the "big other" | generalized skepticism as paralysis | information warfare | the psychology of indifference | epistemic mistrust and political action | radical self-reliance | faith and probability | living well under uncertainty | Žižek | Lacan | Plato's Republic Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm. Referenced In This Episode Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World, James Madden Thinking about Thinking: Mind and Meaning in the Era of Techno-Nihilism, James Madden Republic, Plato The Agnostic Inquirer: Revelation from a Philosophical Standpoint, Sandra Menssen & Thomas D. Sullivan Check Out James Madden's Podcast The Great Dangerous Books Podcast YouTube Spotify Apple Podcasts Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia Watch Season 1 of Comosis: UFOs & A New Reality Prime Video Tubi TIMESTAMPS04:50 Indifference and Partisan Filters 06:03 Frozen by Mistrust 07:41 Ontological vs Epistemic 09:33 Medical Trust Breakdown 13:13 Sheep Bandits Skepticism 18:23 Conspiracy Comfort Trap 22:07 Secrecy and Leaks 26:00 How Conspiracies Operate 28:32 Black Budgets Disinfo 30:57 UFO Skepticism In Principle 34:34 Portal Claims and Psyops 35:56 Trading Obscurity for Obscurity 38:43 Counting Humans Knowledge Limits 41:32 Good Life in Uncertainty 44:09 Moron Idiot Imbecile Framework 46:14 Radical Self Reliance and Trust 50:16 Skepticism Without Denial 55:29 Faith, Doubt, and Jesus 01:01:09 Keep Seeking Do Good 01:02:17 Credits and Where to Listen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Something has been building quietly in the UFO space for the past few years. The Overton window around non-human intelligence has shifted. Insider sources are whispering about a contact event in 2026 or 2027. And a very old theory—that a fake alien invasion could be engineered to manufacture consent—is surfacing again in places Kelly can no longer dismiss as fringe. In this Field Notes episode, she doesn't tell you what to believe. Instead, she runs the thought experiment: if someone were preparing the public for something, how would it unfold, and what would it accomplish? The scenario she constructed is fiction. The mechanisms it describes are not. Read the transcript on Substack. 🗒️ About Field Notes Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that haven't yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com. Topics explored: Project Bluebeam | staged contact events | belief engineering | psychological operations | UFO disclosure narratives | epistemic collapse | information warfare | AI-assisted surveillance | blockchain identity systems | consent manufacturing | the Overton window | insider testimony | thought experiment as inquiry method Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm. Referenced In This Episode UFO Revolution: Season 2 Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia Watch Season 1 of Comosis: UFOs & A New Reality Prime Video Tubi TIMESTAMPS00:49 Patterns Behind The Post 01:28 Overton Window Shifts 01:59 Contact Dates And Grooming 02:27 Fake Invasion Narrative 04:23 Project Bluebeam Explained 05:56 Why Run The Thought Experiment 07:02 Scenario Begins The Sky Event 08:15 Reality Corruption And Babel 10:19 The Proposed Solution Clearinghouse 10:43 Verification Architecture And Control 11:49 Outro And Where To Follow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

After years immersed in the deep end of ufology, one question has proven impossible to shake: how is it that certain factions of the intelligence community—people who possess more evidence than most that consciousness survives death, that the soul is real, and that we are more than our physical bodies—so consistently engage in profound acts of moral evil? This Field Notes episode explores the contradiction at the heart of anomalous research: the same fundamental knowledge about non-material reality that tends to moralize everyday experiencers, deepening their compassion, ethical sensitivity, and sense of consequence, appears to have the opposite effect in certain institutionalized contexts. Why? And what does that divergence reveal? Kelly argues that the answer isn't hypocrisy, isn't power, and isn't institutional pressure alone. It's theology—not in the formal religious sense, but in the deeper sense: the set of assumptions a person holds about what is real, what matters, and what counts. Every action presupposes a theory of reality. And when someone is willing to deceive, coerce, and harm others in service of a greater purpose, that willingness is not an operational detail. It's a theological commitment. What kind of belief system allows someone to acknowledge the reality of the soul while treating human beings as expendable? What does it tell us about the UFO coverup that the people closest to the truth appear to have constructed a secret theology that quietly authorizes evil? This is one of the most important questions in ufology—and almost no one is asking it. Get the episode transcript on Substack. 🗒️ About Field Notes Field Notes are short-form episodes where Kelly thinks aloud—tracing patterns, chasing questions, and working through ideas that haven't yet reached their conclusion. The path of inquiry is messy and non-linear, and Field Notes is where that process lives out loud. For access to the full archive of written Field Notes, visit inquirywithkellychase.substack.com. Topics explored: UAP disclosure | consciousness and survival of death | anomalous experience research | intelligence community secrecy | moral philosophy | secret theology | FREE Foundation data | PSYOP doctrine | the ethics of the coverup Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio.Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm. Referenced In This Episode Beyond UFOs: The Science of Consciousness & Contact with Non Human Intelligence by Reinerio Hernandez J.D., Rudy Schild PH.D., Jon Klimo PH.D. Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia Watch Season 1 of Comosis: UFOs & A New Reality Prime Video Tubi TIMESTAMPS00:00 Welcome to Field Notes 00:48 The Question That Haunts Me 01:51 What Experiencers Report 04:09 The Intelligence Contradiction 04:48 Everything Is Theology 06:42 Belief Shapes Behavior 08:18 Why Knowledge Diverges 10:04 A Secret Theology of Ufology’s Elite 10:24 Closing and Credits Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The world feels like it's coming apart at the seams—and it's not your imagination. In the span of just a few months, the Epstein files have exposed elite networks of abuse that were mocked as conspiracy theory for years, the U.S. government has confirmed Havana Syndrome and openly acknowledged its directed energy weapons program, UFO disclosure has moved from fringe forums to executive directives, and AI has advanced to the point where visual evidence can no longer be trusted. Each of these stories is destabilizing on its own. Together, they produce something else entirely: a collective epistemic crisis. The shared map we've been using to navigate reality is disintegrating in real time—and almost nobody seems to know what to do next. In this inaugural episode, Kelly Chase introduces the premise of Inquiry: why the anomalous experience community—people who have spent years navigating the collapse of their own models of reality—may be the most prepared guides we have for this moment. She traces how knowledge is built, why it's more fragile than we're taught to believe, and what it actually means to ask better questions when the ground is shifting beneath your feet. Topics Covered epistemic collapse, UAP disclosure, the Epstein files, Havana Syndrome and directed energy weapons, AI and the crisis of evidence, anomalous experience, the philosophy of knowledge, and what it means to inquire honestly in a post-consensus world. Inquiry with Kelly Chase is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Produced in partnership with Voltage.fm. Referenced In This Episode Through The Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation in the Anomalous Cosmosis: Origins Support The Show Patreon: inquirywithkellychase.com Substack: inquirywithkellychase.substack.com Connect with Kelly Website: kellychase.media X: @kellychasemedia Instagram: @kellychasemedia Watch Season 1 of Comosis: UFOs & A New Reality Prime Video Tubi TIMESTAMPS 01:21 Epstein Files Shockwave 03:51 Directed Energy Revealed 05:52 UFO Disclosure Tease 06:53 AI and Epistemic Crisis 10:48 Why Everyone Feels Frozen 14:21 Cutting Through the Maze 16:23 Meet the Experiencers 19:51 My Worldview Breaks 23:07 What Happened in 2021 27:16 From UFOs to Inquiry 29:21 How Knowledge Is Built 35:12 Population Count Paradox 39:49 Experiencer Resilience 42:24 What This Show Will Do Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to The UFO Rabbit Hole. Today we return to the old podcast stomping grounds for the long-awaited part 3 of the Through the Looking Glass Series. In this episode, we follow Tom Matte as he heads to the Institute of Noetic Sciences in search of answers about his strange psi ability that he calls Upsight. What the team of scientists, working on chief scientist Dean Radin, found once that got him the lab was nothing short of groundbreaking. Could this help Tom finally get the answers he’s looking for? And what does all of this imply about the future of human consciousness? Today we dive back into the deepest part of the rabbit hole to find out. REGISTER HERE to attend Kelly and Tom’s free online talk hosted by IONS this Friday, February 6th at 11 AM PST/2 PM EST If you aren’t caught up on parts and 1 & 2 of this series, you’ll want to start there. You can find the full episodes here: Through the Looking Glass [Pt 1]: My Initiation in the Anomalous Spotify Apple Podcasts Through the Looking Glass [Pt 2]: The Strange Tale of Tom Matte & Upsight Spotify Apple Podcasts Referenced in this episode: Investigating the Brain Processes Underlying an Unusual Visual Experience: A Case Study The Institute of Noetic Sciences Tom Matte’s Website The 8 Stages of Upsight Vision [Free Download] Dave Rossi’s Interview on Jess Michel’s podcast, American Alchemy TIMESTAMPS01:34 Recap of Previous Episodes 02:31 Upcoming Live Event Announcement 03:19 Introduction to Tom Matte and Upsight 05:13 Tom's Journey to Scientific Validation 07:29 The IONS Study and Its Findings 11:24 Understanding Brainwave Patterns 20:27 Implications and Future Directions 26:16 Tom's Personal Upsight Readings 31:44 Exploring Non-Local Consciousness 33:11 Challenging Current Models of Reality 39:10 The Filter Hypothesis and Anomalous Experiences 46:03 Scientific Insights from Non-Human Intelligence 49:22 The Broader Pattern of Anomalous Experiences Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly and Jay sit down with someone who has become a true kindred spirit on their path: Daniel Noah, co-founder of SpectreVision, filmmaker, experiencer, and the creative force behind the new High Strangeness comic series. This conversation moves through the deep waters where creativity, anomalous experience, and vocation meet. Daniel opens up about his lifelong relationship with horror and the supernatural, his unexpected awakening as an experiencer, and how that realization reshaped both his inner world and his creative life. He shares what it meant to come out publicly as an experiencer, the responsibility he now feels to others on the path, and why art—and vulnerability—are central to making sense of the anomalous. Together, Kelly, Jay, and Daniel explore: How SpectreVision grew from an indie genre studio into a multiformat home for creators working at the edges of experience Why paranormal phenomena resist traditional narrative structure—and what that means for artists The surprising synchronicities behind Daniel’s work on High Strangeness Creativity as a channel for contact, transmission, and the “central source” John Keel wrote about The emotional reality of being a public experiencer, and the mission that quietly forms around those called into this work Daniel’s reflections on SpectreVision’s newest film, Rabbit Trap, and its unsettling, initiatory portrait of fairy loreYou’ll also hear about Kelly’s essay on synchronicity for issue #3 of High Strangeness, the story that changed the trajectory of her entire life, and how collaborative creativity has opened new doors for all three of them. This is one of our most intimate and expansive conversations—an exploration of what happens when artists stop compartmentalizing the anomalous and instead allow it to shape their work, their worldview, and their calling. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Mentioned In This Episode: SpectreVision: https://www.spectrevision.com/ High Strangeness: https://www.onipress.com/news/a3su3wb3ozg1t8irmrufkhju3fcfqr Rabbit Trap: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0FMPYV1L6/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:52 The Genesis of Specter Vision 09:11 Expanding Beyond Films: New Ventures 11:08 Daniel's Paranormal Experiences 17:39 The Impact of Sharing Paranormal Stories 20:17 The Role of Art in Understanding the Paranormal 30:21 Navigating Public Perception as an Experiencer 37:14 Balancing Creativity and Personal Experiences 42:40 Dinner with a Monk: A Creative Revelation 44:00 The Source of Creativity: Within or Without? 44:19 Powers of 10 and Infinite Perspectives 46:25 Channeling Creativity: Automatic Writing and Beyond 50:30 Specter Vision Network: Supporting Creative Minds 53:22 High Strangeness: The Comic Book Journey 01:00:05 Rabbit Trap: A Genre Film with Depth 01:05:33 Mantis Beings and Synchronicities Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this special episode, recorded live at the International Remote Viewing Association Conference, Kelly and Jay sit down for an intimate fireside conversation on one of the most provocative questions in anomalous research: what connects remote viewing and the UFO phenomenon? Bringing together two communities that rarely share a stage, they explore how both challenge the limits of consensus reality and reveal the deeper mysteries of consciousness. From the transpersonal nature of contact to the risks and revelations of psychic perception, the discussion dives into what happens when we stop looking up for answers and start looking within. Along the way, they talk about creative integrity in anomalous storytelling, the role of imagination in perception, and why they believe that remote viewing may be one of the most grounded ways to approach the unknown. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality:https://www.cosmosis.media/Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.comSubscribe to Cosmosis:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.PodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479dApple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow CosmosisX: https://x.com/cosmosis_mediaFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfrInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.mediaListen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQApple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:04 Discussing Remote Viewing in Cosmosis 09:29 Importance of Independent Filmmaking 12:38 Remote Viewing and UFO Phenomenon 29:44 The Unique Training in Remote Viewing 30:36 Disclosure Discourse and Weasel Words 31:23 The Importance of Community in Remote Viewing 32:22 The Scientist's Influence on Paranormal Investigations 33:24 The Evolution of UFO Phenomena 34:20 The Role of Media and Culture in Shaping UFO Encounters 35:32 The Challenge of Understanding Non-Human Intelligence 36:40 Remote Viewing and Personal Experiences 41:08 The Potential of Remote Viewing for Communication 45:03 AI and Consciousness 47:42 Past Lives on Other Planets 51:21 The Mission of Cosmosis 54:21 Conclusion and Credits Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What happens when the search for truth leads you past the point of no return? In the first episode of Cosmosis: Origins, Kelly and Jay step out of the studio and back into the field—returning to the places where their lives first collided with the unknown. Through moments of honesty and reflection, they revisit the experiences that shattered their understanding of reality and the friendship that was forged in the fire of shared initiation. From childhood encounters with luminous beings to life-altering contact events in adulthood, Origins traces the unlikely path that brought them together—and the moral injuries, secrets, and strange grace that came in the aftermath. As they leave behind the noise of UFO discourse to follow the signal deep into the Ohio River Valley, they ask what it means to rebuild belief from the ruins of certainty. This is where the next chapter of Cosmosis begins.Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 00:31 Childhood Encounters with the Unknown 06:39 The Power of Stories and Beliefs 08:52 A Life-Changing Experience 18:16 The Birth of the UFO Rabbit Hole Podcast 20:16 A New Friendship and Collaboration 26:21 A Dark Turn in 2023 29:42 Struggling with Silence and Truth 34:16 Moving Forward 35:22 Reconnecting in Appalachia 36:55 Discussing the UFO Discourse 41:35 Fieldwork and Personal Revelations 43:01 Window Areas 44:48 A Mother's Perspective 49:27 Accepting Anomalous Experiences 54:14 Embracing the Weirdness 59:01 Final Reflections and Cheers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kelly and Jay recount an extraordinary night at the International Remote Viewing Association conference in Cloudcroft, New Mexico—one that began as a simple group experiment in spoon bending and ended with a display of unexplained aerial activity over the nearby White Sands Missile Range. As dozens of participants focused their attention around a bonfire, cutlery softened and twisted in their hands—just as amber lights began moving across the desert sky in ways that defied conventional motion. The synchronicity between the two events raised unsettling questions about consciousness, matter, and the possible feedback loop between human intention and the phenomenon itself. Kelly and Jay examine that night moment by moment, reflecting on its implications for remote viewing, psychokinesis, and the broader study of anomalous events. Along the way, they discuss: The history of spoon bending and PK (psychokinesis) experiments, from Jack Houck’s “PK parties” to government research programs. The atmosphere and experiments at the IRVA conference, including conversations with legendary remote viewers like Lyn Buchanan, Paul H. Smith, and Dale Graff The simultaneous UAP activity observed near White Sands and its uncanny timing with the group’s collective experiment How belief, skepticism, and shared attention can shape reality—and why documenting the anomalous is never just about evidence, but about participation. This episode invites listeners to consider the possibility that consciousness is not a passive observer of the world—but an active participant in its unfolding. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:17 Post-IRVA Conference Reflections 06:00 Deep Dive into Remote Viewing 17:34 Spoon Bending Experience and Online Reactions 35:22 Reflecting on Subjective Realities 36:53 Experiencers and Intellectual Humility 38:29 The Private Nature of Extraordinary Moments 41:15 The Challenge of Filming Personal Experiences 52:45 Skepticism and UFO Phenomena 01:04:46 The Magic of Field Work 01:06:54 Upcoming Projects and Community Engagement Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this special episode of Cosmosis, Kelly and Jay return from the International Remote Viewing Association Conference in Cloudcroft, New Mexico—where they spent a week immersed in the world of psychic espionage, anomalous perception, and frontier consciousness research. Surrounded by legends like Lyn Buchanan, Dale Graff, and Paul H. Smith, they were reminded of what drew them to this mystery in the first place: the humbling realization that reality is far stranger, and far more beautiful, than we imagine. Recorded live at the IRVA conference, this episode features a captivating talk from Paul H. Smith, retired U.S. Army Major and one of the original remote viewers from the Stargate Program—America’s once-classified psychic espionage unit. Smith traces the deep and tangled relationship between UFOs and remote viewing, revealing how intelligence operatives and scientists like Ingo Swann, Hal Puthoff, and Pat Price used psychic perception to probe the mysteries of the phenomenon. From secret lunar targets and underground bases to the blurred boundary between consciousness and the unknown, Smith’s stories bridge Cold War history and the edges of human perception. Whether you’re new to remote viewing or steeped in its lore, this episode offers a rare, firsthand perspective from one of the few who lived it. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Resources & References The Essential Guide to Remote Viewing: The Secret Military Remote Perception Skill Anyone Can Learn, Paul H. Smith:https://a.co/d/ge6aBnR Reading the Enemy's Mind: Inside Star Gate, Paul H. Smith:https://a.co/d/gtWR9vv Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 03:35 Special Talk by Paul H. Smith 06:10 Remote Viewing and UFOs: Promises and Pitfalls 08:43 The Stargate Program: A Deep Dive 15:38 Military Remote Viewing Operations 17:24 Notable Figures in Remote Viewing and UFO Research 26:55 Pat Price's Alien Base Discoveries 28:36 Pat Price's Remote Viewing Accuracy 30:35 Discovering UFO Bases 32:53 Project 8024: Government Remote Viewing of UFOs 41:19 Challenges and Value of Remote Viewing 44:40 Remote Viewing the Moon 51:59 Conclusion and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kelly and Jay revisit the groundbreaking work of John Keel, one of the most influential and controversial figures in UFO history. Known for Operation Trojan Horse and The Mothman Prophecies, Keel pushed beyond the limits of conventional ufology to propose ideas that remain provocative more than 50 years later. They explore both the human story of Keel—the journalist, traveler, and relentless investigator—and the radical frameworks he left behind for making sense of high strangeness. Along the way, Kelly and Jay connect Keel’s legacy to today’s debates, government narratives, and their own upcoming fieldwork. Highlights include: Keel’s unique approach: using news clipping services and personal witness interviews to identify patterns across thousands of reports. His skepticism toward the extraterrestrial hypothesis and why he suspected UFOs were closer to home than another planet. The “paraphysical hypothesis” and Keel’s concept of the super-spectrum, where UFOs and entities may be part of a hidden ecology overlapping our own. Insights into window areas—locations where high strangeness clusters—and how this connects to modern hotspots. The role of storytelling, control mechanisms, and myth-making in shaping how humanity perceives the phenomenon. Why Keel’s outsider perspective continues to challenge both researchers and experiencers today. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Resources & References Operation Trojan Horse, John Keel:https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Trojan-Horse-Classic-Breakthrough/dp/1938398033/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0 Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 05:54 John Keel's Background and Early Career 09:38 Keel's Investigative Approach and Findings 13:40 Skepticism and the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis 20:08 Patterns in UFO Sightings and Flaps 33:38 Regional UFO Flaps and Media Coverage 35:19 Contemporary Ufology and Hotspots 37:23 Patterns in UFO Sightings 40:11 The Paraphysical Hypothesis 43:37 Control Mechanisms and Technological Inspiration 59:07 Color Spectrum and UFO Phenomena 01:09:54 Field Work Inspired by John Keel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kelly Chase sits down with Dana Kippel—author of A New Force: Plasma, Consciousness, and the New Human Potential—to dive into her vision of plasma as a multidimensional, living intelligence that carries both consciousness and information. Dana opens up about her path as an experiencer, the role of downloads and intuition in her work, and why embracing the feminine side of plasma is key to unlocking human potential. We talk about what it means to navigate reality through both science and spirit, how vulnerability can become a superpower, and why so many people are resonating with her message online. This conversation is raw, inspiring, and full of insights that reframe what it means to live in a participatory cosmos. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Resources & References Dana Kippel, A New Force: Plasma, Consciousness, and the New Human Potential https://a.co/d/2Vq0kLx Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 05:27 Dana's Early Experiences with the Anomalous 08:31 The Impact of Trauma on Anomalous Experiences 12:39 Navigating Social Media and Personal Growth 19:08 Dana's Journey into Plasma Research 24:18 The Role of Women in Plasma Studies 32:47 The Hero's Journey and Authenticity 35:20 Sharing Personal Struggles and Authenticity 36:05 The Illusion of Enlightenment 38:10 Understanding Plasma: Science and Beyond 39:04 Plasma as a Multidimensional Substance 56:26 Exploring the Divine Feminine and Plasma 01:04:10 Future Projects and Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Cosmosis, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King are joined by philosopher James Madden, author of Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World. Jim has been part of this journey with us from the very beginning, appearing on The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast and in our docuseries Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality. Together, we take a hard look at the state of ufology and how belief, ideology, and language shape the way we think about the phenomenon. We ask tough questions: Has ufology become a kind of religion? What does it mean to practice good “epistemic hygiene” in a field so vulnerable to disinformation and self-deception? How can we avoid falling into old patterns of certainty while still honoring the mystery? This is a conversation about curiosity, responsibility, and the courage to sit with the unknown. Whether you’re new to the field or a long-time experiencer, Jim’s insights cut through the noise and remind us that sometimes the most important thing isn’t finding the answer—but learning to ask better questions. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Resources & References James D. Madden, Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World: https://a.co/d/4F2Tpcl Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:57 The Evolution of Ufology: A Personal Perspective 07:37 Ufology as a Religion: Belief and Skepticism 14:15 The Hero's Journey in Ufology 29:59 Challenges in Ufology: Secrecy and Belonging 34:43 Navigating Blind Spots in Public Discourse 36:32 The Illusion of Ease in Public Engagement 37:42 The Trap of Daily Grind and Outrage Cycles 40:02 Questioning the UFO Narrative 44:13 Skepticism and Authority in the UFO Community 46:33 The Role of Media and Public Perception 54:02 Positive Aspects of Ufology 56:15 The Power of Unanswerable Questions 59:05 Maintaining Intellectual Sovereignty 01:04:31 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Jay sits down with author of Time, Myth and Matter, LD Deutsch, for a wide-ranging conversation about time, myth, consciousness, and the instability of reality itself. LD Deutsch shares her journey from precognitive dreams to the cutting edge of consciousness studies, weaving together threads of Jungian psychology, mythology, physics, and technology. Together, they explore: How myth and physics act as complementary ways of “reading” reality. The strange synchronicity between the I Ching and the birth of binary code. Why the Simulation Hypothesis functions more like a creation myth than a scientific theory. The paradox of time—eternalism versus presentism—and what it means for precognition. The role of synchronicity, archetypes, and trickster phenomena at the boundaries of the unknown. LD Deutsch’s insights point to a deeper, underlying order where psyche and matter are inseparably linked—and where the stories we tell become the architectures of reality itself. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Resources & References LD Deutsch, Time, Myth and Matter: https://www.sacredbonesrecords.com/products/sbb022-ld-deutsch-time-myth-and-matter?srsltid=AfmBOoow94a8kN69LM0qXghhuVun28QTBmv0mlBE6r6FjxzZKHEeOiKF Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:23 L.D.'s Journey and Inspirations 13:38 Exploring the I Ching and Binary Code 23:55 Techno-Mythology and the Simulation Hypothesis 44:35 The Paradox of Simulated Realities 45:41 Big Bang and Creation Myths 46:50 Eternalism vs. Presentism 47:40 Three Types of Time 50:35 The Block Universe Model 54:00 Reconciling Physics and Neuroscience 58:32 Precognition and Consciousness 01:03:39 Synchronicities and Consciousness 01:10:05 Archetypes and the Unknown 01:16:00 New Myths for a New Era 01:25:19 Future Research Directions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What if 99% of the universe holds the key to understanding UFOs, paranormal phenomena, and even consciousness itself? In this episode, Kelly Chase and Jay Christopher King dive deep into the plasma hypothesis—a paradigm-shifting idea that plasma, the fourth state of matter, may act as a substrate for intelligence. Fresh from the University of Exeter workshop on plasma cosmology (with thinkers like Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, and Nick Cook), Kelly unpacks the conversations that are reshaping the frontier of science and anomalous studies. Together, Kelly and Jay explore: What plasma actually is and why it makes up nearly all of the visible universe. Robert Temple’s groundbreaking book A New Science of Heaven and its implications for UFOs and consciousness studies. Why orb encounters and plasma-like phenomena may be central to the experiencer narrative. The limits of materialist explanations—and why plasma may not explain everything. How process philosophy and transpersonal psychology open new frameworks for exploring intelligent plasma. The overlap between orbs, UFOs, cryptids, and the land of the dead. The risks of overreach and the need to resist turning plasma into the next “quantum” catch-all. From the cutting edge of astrophysics to the lived realities of experiencers, this conversation wrestles with the biggest question of all: could plasma be the hidden medium of mind, matter, and mystery? ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.MediaMusic for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. Resources & References Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven: https://a.co/d/9cIc6Ec Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 01:51 Diving into Plasma Cosmology 03:45 Understanding Plasma: The Fourth State of Matter 06:55 The Potential of Plasma as a Substrate for Intelligence 09:53 Speculations on Plasma and Anomalous Phenomena 14:14 Challenges in Defining Plasma Intelligence 20:26 Exploring Plasma's Physical and Non-Physical Interactions 27:49 Philosophical Perspectives on Plasma Intelligence 31:53 Exploring Paranormal Phenomena 32:40 Interdimensional Theories and Consciousness 34:44 Plasma and Human Connection 35:24 Historical UFO Cases 38:35 Life, Death, and Plasma Phenomena 48:23 Orbs and UFOs: A Deeper Look 56:40 Future Research and Exploration 58:55 Closing Remarks and Community Engagement Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, Kelly shares her recent paper Unfurling the Myth, presented at the University of Exeter during a workshop on Process Philosophy, Plasma Cosmology, and Transpersonal Psychology. This gathering brought together scientists, philosophers, and researchers—including Robert Temple, Jeffrey Kripal, Bernard Carr, Massimo Teodorani, and Nick Cook—to explore the possibility that plasma, the fourth state of matter, could serve as a substrate for non-biological intelligence. Kelly’s paper argues that the UFO phenomenon is not just an anomaly in the sky but a relational event—an encounter that engages the psyche through the deep structures of narrative. Rather than delivering answers, the phenomenon generates mystery, catalyzing transformation on both personal and cultural levels. Drawing on thinkers like Robert Temple, Jacques Vallée, and Eric Davis, as well as research in narrative cognition and the psychology of curiosity, Kelly explores how UFOs may function as mythic initiators: destabilizing our categories of knowledge, activating curiosity, and compelling us to tell new stories. These stories are not just interpretations but mechanisms of reality-making—reshaping our understanding of self, world, and cosmos. Plasma cosmology and the possibility of plasma-based intelligence The UFO as relational event, not just object or craft Narrative as a generative interface between psyche and field How curiosity and myth catalyze transformation The “Call to Adventure” in experiencer narratives Cultural and personal shifts documented in experiencer research The UFO as evolutionary function, seeding new myths and meanings Whether you’re new to these ideas or steeped in the mysteries of UFOs, this episode invites you to consider the phenomenon not as something to solve, but as something to participate in—a story in which we are all co-creators. Resources Robert Temple, A New Science of Heaven Jacques Vallée & Eric Davis, Incommensurability, Orthodoxy, and the Physics of High Strangeness George Loewenstein, The Psychology of Curiosity Will Storr, The Science of Storytelling Stanislav & Christina Grof, Spiritual Emergency Hernandez et al., Beyond UFOs Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cosmosismedia Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 00:38 Exploring Plasma Cosmology 01:22 The Significance of Plasma-Based Intelligence 02:20 Introduction to the Paper: Unfurling the Myth 03:25 Understanding the UFO Phenomenon 04:51 The Role of Narrative in UFO Encounters 06:45 Rethinking the UFO 11:25 Curiosity and the Mythic Initiation 15:30 Awakening the Hero Within 19:57 Remaking the World Through UFO Encounters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Subscribe to The Great Dangerous Books Podcast Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube In this episode, Jim and Jared discuss the complexities of the UFO phenomenon with special guest Kelly Chase, focusing on Jacques Vallee's influential work 'Messengers of Deception.' They explore themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief systems. The conversation delves into the psychological impact of UFO experiences, the dangers of ontological shock, and the need for critical thinking in the field of ufology. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the challenges of integrating extraordinary experiences into one's worldview. TIMESTAMPS 01:28 Introducing Kelly Chase and Her Work 03:09 Exploring Jacques Vallee's 'Messengers of Deception' 05:17 Vallee's Perspective on UFOs and Manipulation 09:47 The Reliability of Jacques Vallee 12:05 The Nature of Reality and Ideological Structures 15:04 The Impact of Ontological Shock 18:45 The Role of the Unconscious in UFO Phenomena 22:08 The Dangers of Manipulation and Belief Systems 27:44 Connecting Modernity and Public Manipulation 32:56 The Internet's Oppenheimer: Valet's Perspective 35:32 The Power of Images and Human Manipulation 39:57 Gnosticism and the Quest for Knowledge 44:05 The Nature of UFO Phenomena and Human Belief 47:35 The Intersection of Science and Mythology 52:11 Critical Inquiry and the Nature of Belief 55:32 The Joy of Inquiry and the Dangers of Ufology Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices