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Anyone who tells you women don’t need financial advice specifically for them is wrong. Women, whether they’re the caretakers, the breadwinners, or both, face a unique set of financial challenges. That’s where HerMoney comes in. In her frank, often funny, but always compassionate way, Jean Chatzky takes every audience of women through the steps they need to take today to live comfortably (and worry-free) tomorrow, offering the latest research, expert tips and personal advice. Want more money news when you need it? Get the latest and greatest updates on all things investing, budgeting, and making money. Subscribe to the HerMoney newsletter at HerMoney.com/subscribe!

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Anyone who tells you women don’t need financial advice specifically for them is wrong. Women, whether they’re the caretakers, the breadwinners, or both, face a unique set of financial challenges. That’s where HerMoney comes in. In her frank, often funny, but always compassionate way, Jean Chatzky takes every audience of women through the steps they need to take today to live comfortably (and worry-free) tomorrow, offering the latest research, expert tips and personal advice. Want more money news when you need it? Get the latest and greatest updates on all things investing, budgeting, and making money. Subscribe to the HerMoney newsletter at HerMoney.com/subscribe!

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Ep 482: The Care Crisis: What Every Woman Needs To Know

7/2/2025
This week, Jean sits down with Jennifer Levin, author of Generation Care: The New Culture of Caregiving, to talk about what happens when caregiving collides with career, finances, and identity, especially for younger women. Whether you’re in the thick of caregiving now or you just know it’s on the horizon, Jennifer’s insights will help you feel seen, supported, and more prepared for the road ahead. And we have an exciting sneak peek of our brand new season of the How She Does It podcast, premiering July 8th! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. If more financial confidence sounds good to you, then you might want to try our… ⁠4-Week Coaching Program⁠: Identify and understand your spending, build a strategic plan, and take control of your money. ⁠6-Week Pre-Retirement Program⁠: We’ll help you prepare financially and emotionally for this exciting milestone. 📈⁠Investing Club⁠: Learn, connect, and start investing—your first month is completely free. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:33:00

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Your Money Map Replay: The 4 Pillars of a Secure Retirement

6/27/2025
Is the fog of uncertainty clouding your vision of retirement? On the most recent episode of Your Money Map, our weekly show with the Alliance for Lifetime Income, Jean Chatzky sits down with Roger Whitney, a financial planner, podcast host, and founder of the Rock Retirement Club, to clear the air. Roger shares his game-changing “Four Pillars” framework for a confident retirement and explains how starting with your values — not just the number in your bank account — leads to a more fulfilling life. If you like this episode and want more, check out all of our Your Money Map episodes at protectedincome.org/your-money-map/ or tune in live every Wednesday at 12 PM ET on Facebook or LinkedIn. If more financial confidence sounds good to you, then you might want to try our… 4-Week Coaching Program: Identify and understand your spending, build a strategic plan, and take control of your money. 6-Week Pre-Retirement Program: We’ll help you prepare financially and emotionally for this exciting milestone. 📈InvestingFixx: Learn, connect, and start investing—your first month is completely free. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:31:46

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Ep 481: Top Strategies For Making Your Money Last (And Grow) In Retirement

6/25/2025
Women are on the verge of controlling more wealth than ever before, but are we ready to manage it, grow it, and make it last? This week, Jean sits down with Hilary Hendershott, Certified Financial Planner, founder of Hendershott Wealth Management, and host of the Love Your Money podcast. Together, Jean and Hilary dig into what it really takes to retire comfortably, and why so many women are falling behind. From understanding the psychology of overspending to getting over our fear of the stock market, this episode is packed with strategies, stories, and mindset shifts to help you make smarter money moves starting now. … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Please leave us a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review on Apple Podcasts and share with the women in your life who are ready to own their financial future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:32:36

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War, Markets, and Your Money: What the Middle East Crisis Means for Your Finances

6/23/2025
Today, we’re dropping a special bonus episode of HerMoney, tackling the headlines that are keeping us up at night, and unpacking what they really mean for your financial future. As tensions rise in the Middle East, the U.S. has officially entered the war with military strikes on Iranian nuclear sites. Markets are up (for now), oil prices are jittery, and inflation remains a wild card. To help us break it all down, Jean is joined by Ben Wheeler, international relations analyst and co-host of the Unclassified podcast. Together, they explore how geopolitical conflict impacts everything from your 401(k) to the gas pump. So, should you be looking at defense stocks? Is now the time to hold more cash or invest in energy? Could a gold or oil play be smart right now, and what about crypto? If you’re wondering how to shore up your financial house in uncertain times, this is the conversation you need to hear. … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Please leave us a ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ review on Apple Podcasts and share with the women in your life who are ready to own their financial future. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:24:25

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Mailbag: “I think my ex-husband stole my identity, what can I do about it?”

6/20/2025
This week, we’re bringing back your favorite co-host, Kathryn Tuggle(!), and diving into a Mailbag filled with your most pressing (and most personal) money questions we’ve heard in a while. Jean and Kathryn tackle the complex crossroads of navigating identity theft and divorce, when to take Social Security (and when not to), and whether putting all your retirement savings into an annuity is ever the right move, and more! Plus: Jean shares her must-dos if you think your identity has been compromised, including the single most important move to protect your credit right now. … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 FinanceFixx – HerMoney’s 4 or 8-week Money Makeover financial coaching program that will help you get your finances on track! 📈 InvestingFixx – HerMoney’s investing club for women who are ready to learn market lingo, and grow their wealth. Your first month with us is completely free! Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at mailbag@hermoney.com. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at Hermoney.com/subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:25:12

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Ep 480: Know Your Worth, Then Ask For It with Negotiation Expert Casey Brown

6/18/2025
Asking for a raise can feel terrifying, especially in uncertain times. But if you've taken on more, grown in your role (or simply know you're underpaid), it’s time to start the conversation. And it doesn’t have to feel awkward, aggressive, or like you’re “tooting your own horn.” In this episode, Jean sits down with pricing and negotiation expert Casey Brown. Casey shares her no-fluff formula for getting paid fairly. It’s all about identifying the value you bring, learning how to speak about it with confidence, and navigating the ask in a way that feels authentic (and even joyful)! … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news you can use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:32:00

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Bree McKeen On Reinventing A 100-Year-Old Industry, One Bra At A Time

6/13/2025
Have you ever wondered how to get a new product off the ground, especially as a woman pitching in a male-dominated venture capital world? On this episode, Jean sits down with Bree McKeen, founder of lingerie brand Evelyn & Bobbie, to talk about what it really takes to launch a company, protect your ideas, and raise capital. Before Bree created a bra that’s now disrupting a $13 billion industry, she was sitting on the other side of the table, as a VC herself. Listen in for insights on intellectual property, entrepreneurship, and how to stand your ground in a system that still doesn’t take female founders seriously enough. SUBHEAD: … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news you can use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:31:55

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Ep 479: Katie Gatti Tassin is Retiring Early: Here’s How She’s Doing It, And You Can Too

6/11/2025
Katie Gatti Tassin had the job, the paycheck, and the potential. But two weeks after every payday, she was broke again. And that’s when she realized: something had to change. What started as a personal audit of her spending (her beauty budget was 10% of her income!) turned into Money with Katie, a financial education platform that’s now helping millions of women take control of their money and retire on their own terms. We’re talking with Katie to talk about her new book, Rich Girl Nation: Taking Control of Our Financial Futures, and her mission to help women, especially Gen Z and young Millennials, rethink the traditional rules of work, wealth, and independence. … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:42:28

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Mailbag: “I’m single and retiring soon, how can I make my money last?”

6/6/2025
In this special AMA Mailbag episode, Jean sits down with two thoughtful guests navigating how to prepare for retirement as single women. First up is Liz, who’s about a year out from retiring. She’s done a lot of smart planning, but wants to double-check her next moves. We’re talking about annuities, TIPS ladders, Roth conversions, and how to create steady, reliable income in retirement. Then we hear from Bernadette, who is in her 50s and starting to look into long-term care options, but is having some major sticker shock. So if you're single, planning ahead, and want to protect your future without sacrificing flexibility, this one’s for you. 💡 Topics Covered: Long-term care planning for single women Preparing for retirement in the next few years The psychological comfort of a “retirement paycheck” … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 FinanceFixx – HerMoney’s 4 or 8-week Money Makeover financial coaching program that will help you get your finances on track! 📈 InvestingFixx – HerMoney’s investing club for women who are ready to learn market lingo, and grow their wealth. Your first month with us is completely free! Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at mailbag@hermoney.com. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at Hermoney.com/subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:35:41

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Ep 478: Recession Watch: What the Moody’s Downgrade Really Means for Your Money

6/4/2025
Moody’s downgrade. Rising interest rates. Lipstick sales and banana prices as economic signals? This week, we sit down with Katie Klingensmith, Chief Investment Strategist at Edelman Financial Engines, to unpack what’s really going on with the economy and how it impacts your money. From home buying and interest rates to investing in gold, crypto, and international stocks, Katie helps make sense of it all. If you’re wondering how to stay financially steady in uncertain times, this episode is for you. … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news you can use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:38:28

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Teaching Kids the Value of a Dollar with Mellody Hobson

5/30/2025
Today, we’re joined by powerhouse financial executive and author Mellody Hobson for an eye-opening conversation about how we teach — and often don’t teach — our kids about money. As co-CEO of Ariel Investments and author of Priceless Facts About Money, Mellody believes that the path to financial literacy starts with our youngest learners. Together, Jean and Mellody explore: 💸 Why the biggest money lessons often come from outside the classroom 🧠 How early exposure to financial realities can build confidence, not fear 📊 Practical ways to talk to kids about investing (hint: start with what they know and love!) 🛠️ Whether giving an allowance actually works 🔁 And why bartering is the perfect way to teach kids the difference between price and value. … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news you can use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:30:52

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Ep 477: Suzy Welch On How to Find Your Purpose at Work (And Still Pay the Bills)

5/28/2025
Are you happy at work? If the answer is anything less than a confident yes, or if you’ve ever felt a quiet nudge toward something more meaningful, this episode is your invitation to rethink what you’re doing and why. Today on the HerMoney Podcast, Jean Chatzky sits down with Suzy Welch, acclaimed NYU professor and author of the new book Becoming You: The Proven Method for Crafting Your Authentic Life and Career. Suzy shares her revolutionary 15-step framework for discovering your purpose through the lenses of your values, aptitudes, and economically viable interests. … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news you can use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:36:45

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Your Money Map Replay: How Americans Are Really Retiring

5/23/2025
What does retirement really look like? Spoiler alert: it’s not all white sand beaches and 4 p.m. tee times. Today, we’re pulling back the curtain on how Americans retire. Not in theory, but in practice. On the most recent episode of Your Money Map, our weekly show with the Alliance for Lifetime Income, we sit down with Wall Street Journal reporters Veronica Dagher and Anne Tergesen to talk about their series: “The Way We Retire Now.” If you like this episode and want more, check out all of our Your Money Map episodes at protectedincome.org/your-money-map/ or tune in live every Wednesday at 12 PM ET on Facebook or LinkedIn. Looking for more financial confidence? 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news you can use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:35:08

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Ep 476: The Simple Path to Wealth: JL Collins on Investing, Index Funds, and Financial Freedom

5/21/2025
This week, we're getting real about financial independence and why it doesn’t have to mean deprivation. Jean sits down with JL Collins, the “Godfather of Financial Independence,” to talk about the relaunch of his bestselling book The Simple Path to Wealth: Your Road Map to Financial Independence and a Rich, Free Life. In a world of rising prices, economic anxiety, and market volatility, does the FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) movement still work? JL says yes. If you've ever wondered whether financial independence is realistic for you or how to start moving toward it (even slowly), this episode is for you. We’re talking index funds, cash cushions, mindset shifts, and how to build resilience when you’re inundated with questionable financial advice. Resources and Links: JL Collins' Blog The Simple Path to Wealth (2025 Edition) 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news you can use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:41:34

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“I inherited money in the form of an IRA, should I cash out now or keep it invested?”

5/16/2025
In this special AMA Mailbag episode, Jean dives into your most pressing retirement questions with listeners Pam and Laurie. First up, Pam, who inherited an IRA from her late mother, wonders whether to cash it out or invest it for the long haul. Then we hear from Laurie, a military spouse navigating what to do with her husband's TSP now that he’s out of the service. Should they roll it over? Keep it where it is? And what’s the best way for a newly self-employed woman to start saving for retirement on her own terms? 💡 Topics Covered: How to make the most of an inherited IRA The emotional power of planning small financial “gifts” from loved ones Smart investment choices for idle HSA funds What to know before moving a TSP into a rollover IRA Retirement saving strategies for freelancers and the self-employed … Does more financial confidence sound good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 FinanceFixx – HerMoney’s 4 or 8-week Money Makeover financial coaching program that will help you get your finances on track! 📈 InvestingFixx – HerMoney’s investing club for women who are ready to learn market lingo, and grow their wealth. Your first month with us is completely free! Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at mailbag@hermoney.com. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at Hermoney.com/subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:28:24

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Worried About Your Student Loans? The Steps To Take NOW

5/14/2025
This week, we're digging into one of the most pressing financial crises of our time: student loans. After a five-year pause, the Trump administration has officially restarted collections on defaulted federal student loans, and millions of borrowers could soon face wage garnishment, reduced Social Security benefits, and even hits to their credit scores. Joining us is Jillian Berman, author of the groundbreaking new book, Sunk Cost: Who’s to Blame for the Nation’s Broken Student Loan System and How to Fix It. Jillian takes us behind the headlines, breaks down who is most at risk, and how to get your payments back on track if you’re in default. Resources & Links: 🚀 ⁠FinanceFixx⁠ – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 ⁠InvestingFixx⁠ – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. StudentAid.gov – Check your loan status, repayment options, and servicer info. Sunk Cost by Jillian Berman More from Jillian Berman on MarketWatch Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at ⁠mailbag@hermoney.com⁠. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at⁠ ⁠⁠Hermoney.com/subscribe⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:35:15

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Choosing Motherhood (or Not): Fertility, Privilege, and Redefining the Timeline

5/9/2025
Motherhood is personal and more than a little bit complicated. And today, we’re diving deep into the emotional and financial complexities of modern motherhood with journalist and author Ruthie Ackerman. Ruthie’s journey includes freezing her eggs in her 30s, navigating a divorce, spending nearly $100,000 on donor eggs, and ultimately becoming a mother at 43. But her story is about much more than biology—it’s about breaking timelines, challenging societal expectations, and rewriting what it means to live a full, intentional life…with or without children. Looking for more financial confidence? 🚀 FinanceFixx – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 InvestingFixx – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at mailbag@hermoney.com. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at Hermoney.com/subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:24:07

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Ep 474: Future Millionaires: How to Raise Kids Who Dream Big and Build Wealth Early

5/7/2025
On today’s episode, Jean is sitting down with the brilliant Rachel Rodgers — bestselling author, CEO of Hello Seven, and mom of four — to talk about how we can help the next generation not just survive, but truly thrive. Rachel shares her fresh, practical roadmap for helping young people build wealth early: from learning to dream big (million-dollar big!) to teaching them the language of money, investing their earnings, and embracing an entrepreneurial mindset. We dive into why just "getting a job" isn't enough anymore, how to help Gen Z overcome financial stress, and why every kid should think like an owner and investor. Looking for more financial confidence? 🚀 FinanceFixx – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 InvestingFixx – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free. Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at mailbag@hermoney.com. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at Hermoney.com/subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:31:53

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When to Pivot: Closing a Business, Reinventing a Career, and Selling Real Estate

5/2/2025
In this AMA Mailbag episode, Jean sits down with two thoughtful guests navigating major financial crossroads. First up is Dawn from Joshua Tree, who is in the process of closing her beloved but unprofitable gift shop. Then we hear from Karyn in Washington, who owns a rental home in Denver and is torn between keeping it as an investment or selling it while market conditions are strong. 💡 Topics Covered: Knowing when to shut down a business How to prioritize expenses during a life transition Rebuilding a career in your 60s Real estate decisions during uncertain markets Navigating capital gains tax rules Letting go of “forever home” fantasies to fund future goals … Does more financial confidence sounds good to you, then you might want to try: 🚀 FinanceFixx – HerMoney’s 4 or 8-week Money Makeover financial coaching program that will help you get your finances on track! 📈 InvestingFixx – HerMoney’s investing club for women who are ready to learn market lingo, and grow their wealth. Your first month with us is completely free! Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at mailbag@hermoney.com. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at Hermoney.com/subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:39:27

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The Ultimate Layoff Survival Guide with Employment Attorney Peter Rahbar

4/30/2025
This week, we’re diving into a topic that’s on everyone’s mind right now—layoffs. Whether you’ve seen the headlines, heard the whispers in your own company, or been directly affected, the truth is: layoffs are on the rise again, and you need to know how to prepare for them. Our guest today, Peter Rahbar, is an employment attorney and workplace issues expert. He explains your post-layoff legal rights, offers practical career tips, and shares the most important mindset shift that can help you bounce back better than ever. Looking for more financial confidence? 🚀 FinanceFixx – Our 4 or 8-week coaching program to get your finances on track! 📈 InvestingFixx – A club for women ready to grow their wealth. Your first month is completely free.  Have a question for us? Write to us (or send us a voice note!) at mailbag@hermoney.com. While you’re at it, join the HerMoney community! For the latest episode drops and financial news-you-can-use, subscribe to our newsletter at Hermoney.com/subscribe! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Duration:00:40:26