Beyond the Art

On this episode of Beyond the Art, we sit down with filmmakers Ben West, alike mteuzi, and Yancey Burns from Rena Flying Coyote Collective, a Native-led nonprofit using film as a tool for social change. They share how their personal paths—from rural Appalachia and small Oklahoma communities to art school and public interest law—eventually converged through the acclaimed documentary Imagining the Indian: The Fight Against Native American Mascotting. Together, they unpack why mascots are not a matter of opinion but of public health, drawing on decades of research that links these images to depression, low self-esteem, and suicidal ideation among Native youth. The conversation then traces the birth of Rena Flying Coyote Collective and its four pillars: filmmaking, coalition building, education, and hands-on community workshops. Ben and Yancey describe touring Imagining the Indian across Turtle Island, building partnerships, and realizing the film needed to live on as classroom curriculum, not just as a one-time screening. They talk about their commitment to making sure Native communities are not just subjects in front of the camera but leaders behind it, and why the collective was founded specifically to help other Indigenous storytellers access tools, funding, and mentorship. From there, the group turns to the projects currently on their plates, including a powerful new documentary being filmed in Picher, Oklahoma, where Quapaw Nation is leading the cleanup of a massive Superfund site created by historic lead and zinc mining. They explore how environmental justice, land sovereignty, and Missing and Murdered Indigenous People intersect on this landscape, and share a preview of Loyal to the Soil, their film on Native military service and the disconnect between Native veterans and the systems meant to serve them. If you care about representation that moves beyond symbols into real-world impact, this episode offers both hard truths and active pathways to change.

In this episode of Beyond the Arts, Joe sits down with Jamie Gentry, a Danakhtak and Mamaleila Kla artist from the Kwakwaka'wakw Nation, whose moccasins are as much about relationship and story as they are about footwear. Jamie shares how being raised deeply rooted in culture, potlatches, and family travel shaped her sense of belonging and her path toward making moccasins as a way of life. Jamie reflects on the moment she first learned to make moccasins and how the practice quickly became a magnetic pull she could not ignore. She describes her intentional process of never cutting into hide until she knows who a pair is for, treating each piece as a living co-creation that carries both her energy and the wearer's, and how color, conversation, and intuition guide her designs. The conversation stretches into sustainability, slow making, and the healing power of connection—to our hands, our communities, and the land. Jamie talks about food sovereignty, her studies in holistic nutrition and herbal medicine, and her dream of creating a retreat space where Indigenous people can come to rest, be held by the land, and refill their spirits for the work they carry back home.

In this heartfelt episode of Beyond the Arts, we sit down with Cary Morin, a master of American Roots music and Crow tribal member, to explore his four-decade journey from playing piano as a child in Great Falls, Montana, to becoming an internationally recognized guitarist and songwriter. Cary shares how picking up his brother's guitar in sixth grade sparked a lifelong passion, and how his sound evolved from bar band productions in Colorado to the sophisticated finger-style acoustic work that defines his music today. His journey includes navigating industry changes—from the drinking age shift that emptied clubs to the internet revolution that transformed how artists connect with audiences. Cary discusses the transformative moment when a friend gave him a guitar tuned to an open tuning, urging him to stick with it despite the initial confusion. That single gift unlocked a completely new approach to finger-style playing and chord voicings that has defined his sound for the past 20 years. He opens up about stage anxiety—surprisingly more intense in intimate venues with silent crowds than in large halls—and how mastering his material became the cure. The conversation includes memorable moments from the road, including the surreal experience of Jackson Browne handing him a guitar during an encore, and playing NPR's eTown after listening to the show for decades. The episode explores Cary's perspective on indigenous identity and artistry, addressing the question his management posed: "Are you a native person who is a songwriter, or a songwriter who happens to be native?" Cary chose to be known first as a songwriter, believing that the quality of the songs and the stories they tell should take precedence while still honoring his Crow heritage through gospel tunes for his Christian family, historical narratives about his people, and the story his great-grandmother told at his naming ceremony. He discusses the pride he feels seeing indigenous artists excel across all art forms, the ambitious Turtle Island play that brought 50 performers together (including his mother and all his children), and his latest album Innocent Allies—13 songs inspired by Charles Russell paintings that he describes as a "Western album" rather than country or rock.

In this powerful episode of Beyond the Arts, we sit down with Dr. Lars Krutak, known globally as "the tattoo anthropologist," to explore the profound world of indigenous tattooing traditions. For nearly 30 years, Lars has traveled to over 50 countries, working with 50-60 indigenous communities to document tattooing practices that are rapidly disappearing. His journey began in 1996 in Alaska, where he encountered a Gwich'in elder with traditional chin tattoos, sparking a lifelong mission to preserve these visual narratives before they vanish forever. Lars shares incredible stories from his fieldwork, from the St. Lawrence Island Yupik elders who taught him that tattoos are "life stories on skin" to the medicinal tattoos in Borneo that mirror techniques used by the 5,000-year-old Iceman. He discusses the devastating impact of colonization and boarding schools on tattooing traditions, and how contemporary indigenous communities are reclaiming these practices as acts of healing and cultural resurgence. Lars emphasizes the ethical dimensions of his work, always prioritizing community consent, giving back resources, and centering indigenous voices in his publications. This conversation goes far beyond aesthetics to reveal how tattoos function as medicine, cosmology, historical records, and declarations of indigenous identity. Lars's latest book, Indigenous Tattoo Traditions, published by Princeton University Press in 2025, represents decades of collaboration with tattooed elders and their communities. Whether you're interested in anthropology, indigenous cultures, art history, or the healing power of cultural reclamation, this episode offers profound insights into traditions that deserve recognition as vital contributions to human heritage.

In this episode, we sit down with Eric-Paul Riege, who takes us on a journey through his artistic legacy rooted in a lineage of weavers and fiber artists. Eric shares how these early memories of craft have shaped his creative process, often interweaving elements of story, ceremony, and space. Through his work, Eric explores the relationship between memory and material, creating totems that capture and preserve ancestral narratives. Eric discusses the transformative experiences that have defined his path as an artist. He reflects on his family's influence and how his upbringing within a community of makers has deepened his connection to the materials he uses. This connection manifests in his work as he blends traditional practices with contemporary art forms, offering a rich tapestry of cultural continuity and innovation. As Eric shares his journey, listeners gain insight into the delicate balance he maintains between honoring his heritage and pushing artistic boundaries. His reflections offer a powerful reminder of the role memory plays in art and life, with his creations acting as living embodiments of history, tradition, and dreams.

Robert King, a former physician turned ceramic artist, shares his unromantic entry into pottery—inspired by an online video, he quickly acquired a wheel and kiln, firing imperfect pots while building skills rooted in his Choctaw basket-weaving heritage, where traditional pots were lost to displacement. Relocating to a stark, windy landscape, King forges a deep bond with the land, sourcing wild clays from arroyos and treating materials as living collaborators with their own strengths and limits, emphasizing patience, play, and minimal intervention to let the earth speak. Balancing ancestral traditions with contemporary life, he revives nearly lost Choctaw clay practices through authentic, modern vessels that challenge perceptions of beauty—pairing gnarly surfaces with elegant forms—while rejecting stereotypes to affirm indigenous presence today.

In this episode of "Beyond the Art," we delve into the inspiring journey of Erik Brodt, co-founder of Ginew, a Native American brand that redefines indigenous identity through fashion. Erik shares how Ginew was born from a desire to create clothing that tells authentic stories, reflecting the values and heritage of Native American culture. He discusses the challenges and triumphs of building a brand that not only celebrates tradition but also pushes the boundaries of contemporary fashion. Erik emphasizes the importance of storytelling in both fashion and medicine, drawing parallels between the two fields. He highlights how Ginew serves as a platform for Native American artisans, providing them with opportunities to showcase their work and sustain their livelihoods. This conversation invites listeners to see fashion as a powerful medium for cultural expression and community building.

In this captivating episode of Beyond the Art Podcast, host Joe sits down with Pyet, a dynamic chef known for her innovative fusion of Native American and Mexican cuisines. Pyet takes listeners on a journey through her rich culinary heritage, beginning with her family's taquerias and leading to her current roles as an executive producer and actress. Her story is one of resilience and creativity, as she shares how her multicultural upbringing has shaped her unique approach to food and storytelling. Pyet delves into the philosophy of food as medicine, emphasizing the deep connections between culinary traditions and cultural identity. She discusses her experiences on national television, including her transformative win on 'Next Level Chef,' and how these platforms have allowed her to advocate for greater representation in media. Her book, "Rooted in Fire," serves as a testament to her commitment to food sovereignty and the power of storytelling through cuisine. Throughout the conversation, Pyet highlights the importance of community and mentorship in her journey. She credits influential figures like Sean Sherman and Claudia Cerrado for inspiring her path and underscores the significance of defining success through community impact rather than material wealth. This episode is a rich tapestry of cultural insights, personal anecdotes, and a celebration of culinary diversity.

Diné artist Kaleb Lee takes us on a journey through the vibrant and intricate world of beadwork, a passion ignited in his youth and nurtured by family influences. Kaleb's story unfolds with a road trip to a powwow in Washington, where the colorful tapestry of beads and storytelling captured his imagination. Through cultural exchanges with tribes like the Cree, Kaleb's artistry has blossomed, weaving together rich narratives and traditions into each bead. His works are not just art; they are stories waiting to be told, each piece a testament to his roots and the lessons learned from others. As Kaleb navigates the balance between cultural heritage and contemporary influences, he draws inspiration from both ancestral resilience and the whimsy of modern media like Disney and Pixar. His beadwork reflects a unique tapestry of influences, celebrating cultural representation while resonating with personal significance. Kaleb discusses how his pieces inspired by popular culture have been received by family and friends, highlighting the importance of maintaining authenticity while embracing broader artistic horizons. His journey underscores the delicate act of honoring one's heritage while exploring new creative avenues. Throughout our conversation, Kaleb shares insights into his personal growth and creative process. From the influence of artists like Jamie Okuma to the role of music, particularly metal, in focusing his artistic vision, Kaleb's story is one of continuous evolution. He opens up about his transition from extroversion to introversion, managing criticism with grace, and the significance of respect in artistic exchanges. Aspiring beadwork artists will find a treasure trove of advice here, as Kaleb emphasizes the power of maintaining integrity and creativity amidst challenges, with dreams of showcasing his art on some of the world's grandest stages.

Join us on Beyond the Arts as we welcome the incredibly talented Michel Dumont, a queer Métis, two-spirited artist from Thunder Bay, Ontario. Michel captivates us with stories of turning discarded materials into stunning works of art, inspired by the terrazzo floors of the Lakehead Psychiatric Hospital. From vintage tiles to wearable art crafted from packing tape, cellophane, and LED lights, Michel's creations breathe new life into what others might consider waste. Discover how her childhood fascination with cellophane pastry box windows sparked a lifelong journey of artistic exploration and innovation. Listen in as we explore Michel's powerful narrative of generational trauma and artistry. Michel shares her experiences of navigating her mixed heritage and the challenges of expressing her true self in the art world. Through personal stories of learning Ojibwe and reflecting on her mother's experiences in the Indian Day School system, Michel illustrates the profound impact of historical archives and community support on her journey of reconciliation and healing. The conversation highlights how art connects and heals across generations, fostering a deeper understanding of identity and heritage. Finally, we explore the evolution of Indigenous queer identities and the transformative power of artistic collaboration. Inspired by renowned Ojibwe artist Rebecca Belmore, Michel uses her work to confront painful pasts and celebrate queer joy and representation. Through her engagement with diverse communities and exploration of unconventional materials, Michel emphasizes the importance of storytelling and community building in art. With a focus on future projects and the unpredictable nature of the art world, this episode showcases Michel's commitment to using art as a medium for social change and cultural expression.

Join us for a compelling exploration of the Indigenous Curatorial Collective (ICC) with our guests Justine Stilborn and Eli Hirtle. We examine how this organization, founded in 2005, has become a vital network for Indigenous artists and curators across Canada and beyond. Eli shares his personal journey from feeling isolated in the curatorial world to finding a supportive community through the ICC. Meanwhile, Justine reflects on her path back to the arts and her efforts to spotlight the organization's rich history through digital platforms. Together, they discuss how the ICC amplifies Indigenous voices, particularly through its digital publications project, ensuring the continued growth and visibility of Indigenous art and culture. In our conversation, we also highlight the crucial role of mentorship and community for Indigenous artists and curators. We discuss the challenges faced by Indigenous artists in rural areas, including limited access to mentorship and visibility, contrasted with the natural mentorship found within close-knit communities. Our guests share their experiences with mentorship programs like the youth mentorship art program and the curatorial delegations program, while also addressing the challenges of securing sustainable funding in the arts. Listen in as we underscore the importance of sustaining progress made in cultural representation and support within the art world. Finally, we explore the broader landscape of Indigenous art, from funding challenges to the influence of artists like Christy Belcourt and Sky Hopinka. We discuss how Indigenous artists are transforming perceptions of craft into high art and redefining storytelling through innovative mediums. Justine and Eli share their personal projects and aspirations, including a puppet film project and community engagement initiatives. The episode concludes with a discussion on the significance of institutional memberships in supporting Indigenous arts organizations, emphasizing the role of art in preservation, connection, and renewal.

Jana Schmieding, a dynamic actor, writer, and comedian, takes center stage as she shares her journey from the bustling classrooms of New York City's public schools to the vibrant sets of Hollywood. With roles in critically acclaimed shows like "Rutherford Falls" and "Reservation Dogs," Jana's path is marked by a deep commitment to authentic Indigenous representation. Her story is not just about personal success; it's a testament to the transformative power of storytelling, fueled by her Lakota heritage and classical theater training. The conversation navigates the complex landscape of Hollywood as an Indigenous artist, addressing both the triumphs and tribulations Jenna faced while crafting narratives that center on Native women. From self-taught screenwriting to forming a supportive network of fellow writers, Jenna's dedication shines through, even amid financial struggles and industry challenges. Her unwavering commitment to reshaping the narrative around Indigenous people in entertainment underscores a broader movement for equity and genuine representation. Listeners will discover the intricate balance Jana maintains between humor and serious cultural narratives, a balance that is beautifully woven into the fabric of shows like "Reservation Dogs" and "Rutherford Falls." As Jana discusses the freedom of creative expression on set and the groundbreaking impact of Native-led storytelling, she highlights how these narratives humanize Native experiences and foster a deeper understanding. The episode wraps up with Jana's reflections on community, identity, and the empowering process of contributing to a pioneering project that not only entertains but also uplifts and inspires.

Join us for an enlightening journey with Roger Kuhn, a two-spirit indigenous queer artist, musician, and advocate, as we explore the intricate tapestry of identity and healing through art. Roger shares his profound connection to his roots, growing up in rural North Dakota as part of an interracial family. Listen in as he candidly discusses the challenges of being "othered" due to his racial and gender identity and how these experiences informed his healing journey and inspired his work in music, storytelling, and advocacy. Roger's unique relationship with the land and nature in North Dakota offered him a sense of belonging, and this connection remains a cornerstone of his identity and his commitment to using art as a vehicle for healing and truth-telling. In our conversation, Roger opens up about his multifaceted career, highlighting the transition from the music world to pursuing a lifelong dream of becoming a therapist. Supported by his tribal community, Roger earned a PhD and now advocates for two-spirit and native people in mental health spaces. Discover how the intersection of creativity and therapy plays a vital role in his life, offering unique insights into the healing process. Roger shares his philosophy on balancing creative pursuits with clinical work, emphasizing vulnerability and connection as essential elements that enrich both his artistic endeavors and therapeutic practice. Throughout our discussion, we delve into the pressing issues facing Two-Spirit and LGBTQ+ Indigenous communities. Roger sheds light on the challenges of accessing healthcare, the importance of decolonization, and the need for community gatherings to foster support and love. From his personal experiences in rural North Dakota to urban environments like New York and San Francisco, Roger's evolving cultural identity and dedication to advocacy shine through. He reflects on his mixed-race heritage and the stories of resilience and self-worth passed down through generations, motivating him to persist and thrive. This episode is a compelling testament to the transformative power of art, therapy, and the courage to live authentically.

What if creating art could transform cultural narratives and bridge different worlds? Join us in an inspiring conversation with Leonard Harmon, a groundbreaking artist who intertwines traditional Indigenous artistry with the gritty vibrancy of Bronx street culture. Leonard opens up about his personal journey, influenced by his late uncle, Leonard Allen Harmon, and how his experiences growing up in Philadelphia, Delaware, and Washington, D.C., shaped his artistic vision. From the vibrant beats of hip hop to the sacred rhythms of powwow dancing, Leonard’s art reflects a dynamic tapestry of cultural resilience and identity. Explore the emotional depth and separation in Leonard’s creative expressions as we navigate through his commitment to authenticity in both traditional crafts and contemporary art forms. Learn how his separate studios for painting and quill work reflect distinct emotional spaces and how these mediums, while rooted in the past, propel him forward. Leonard also shares the profound impact of his uncle’s artistic legacy and the honor of having his work displayed at the Heard Museum, a testament to his dedication to cultural evolution and revival. Finally, Leonard's story unveils the rich tapestry of inspiration drawn from historical photographs of the Nanticoke people and how a trip to Stockholm ignited a new project close to his heart. His artistic journey is a testament to the strength drawn from past generations and a celebration of Indigenous creativity's ongoing evolution. Discover Leonard's aspirations to exhibit alongside his uncle posthumously, challenging tradition while paving new paths for Indigenous art. This episode is a celebration of Leonard Harmon’s vibrant contributions to the artistic resurgence within his community and beyond.

Join us for an enlightening exploration with Hone Bailey, a master of traditional Maori weaving, as he reveals the intricate tapestry of his life's work and cultural heritage. Discover how Hone's upbringing in the vibrant community of Koromatua, coupled with the teachings of his strict parents, laid the groundwork for his artistic journey. His early experiences at kōhanga reo, or Maori language preschools, played a pivotal role in shaping his deep cultural connection and igniting his passion for weaving as both a creative and personal expression. Our conversation navigates the fascinating intersection of traditional Maori weaving and Western textile practices, with Hone sharing insights from his transformative move from New York to Toihoukura, the Maori School of Art and Design. Here, he found a nurturing environment that celebrated Maori culture and arts, reinforcing the powerful bond between land, spirit, and craft. Hone also discusses his commitment to preserving this cultural legacy through documentation, ensuring that future generations can connect with their heritage without facing the barriers that often accompany such journeys. As Hone reflects on his professional and personal aspirations, he unveils the joys and challenges of crafting Tukutuku panels and family heirlooms, such as the kākahu cloak. The episode highlights Hone's dedication to mentoring young weavers, bridging geographical divides with modern technology to foster a vibrant exchange of knowledge. He shares his dream of creating a space deeply connected to the natural world, where art and culture flourish. Hone's story is a testament to the resilience and beauty of keeping Maori weaving traditions alive, celebrating the power of cultural stories in uniting communities and amplifying indigenous voices.

Join us for an exhilarating ride as we showcase the inspiring journey of Lil' Mike and Funny Bone, the electrifying duo known as Mike Bone. From the vibrant streets of Oklahoma City to the grand stages of America's Got Talent, these brothers have crafted a path that mingles humor, faith, and music into a unique artistic compass. You'll hear Funny Bone's transformation from an inquisitive onlooker to a charismatic entertainer, alongside Lil' Mike, as they weave clean, family-friendly narratives drawn from their rich roots in Christian hip-hop. With a blend of poetry, rap, and comedy, Mike Bone discovered a way to channel personal struggles into performances that not only entertain but also uplift. They embraced the challenge of pushing boundaries within church communities, inspired by legendary figures like Jim Carrey and Gospel Gangsters. The duo's evocative tales of overcoming adversity and connecting with broader audiences illuminate the power of authenticity and perseverance in the face of both internal and external challenges. But this tale isn't just about music—it's also about representation and advocacy. Mike Bone shares their thrilling experiences on stage with big names like Billy Ray Cyrus and their deliberate decision to maintain artistic freedom over commercial success. The conversation broadens to indigenous representation in entertainment, touching on impactful media like "Reservation Dogs" and emphasizing unity among indigenous communities. Their latest creation, the album "Vibin," stands as a testament to their unwavering commitment to addressing indigenous issues while staying true to their roots. Whether through empowering lyrics or exciting future projects, Mike Bone continues to inspire and connect with fans worldwide.

Join us for a captivating exploration of artistry and resilience as we welcome Kent Estey, an inspiring artist who has defied the odds to share his creative journey. Kent, who began his art career later in life, brings a rich tapestry of emotion, memory, and ancestral connection to his vibrant works. Discover how Kent found his voice in painting, transitioning from an educational background to an artist's life on the White Earth Reservation. Despite the challenges of stepping into the public eye without a formal art education, Kent's story is one of determination and the power of community in nurturing his artistic journey. We take a closer look at Kent's artistic process, highlighting the transformative shift from oil to acrylic painting and the experimentation that led to his distinctive style. Embracing unconventional tools and vibrant colors, Kent uses his art as a means of expression and healing. We also reflect on the influence of family traditions and craftsmanship that have shaped his work, paying tribute to the artistry of his ancestors and the rich cultural legacy they left behind. Through Kent's narrative, we see how art becomes a vehicle for storytelling and preserving personal and familial histories. Listen in as we celebrate Kent's artistic achievements and inspirations, including his connections to influential figures like George Morrison. With exhibitions at prestigious galleries and the joy of connecting with audiences, Kent's journey underscores the significance of painting for personal fulfillment and the impact of storytelling through art. As Kent continues to gain confidence in his unique style, we look forward to his future collaborations and exhibitions, sharing his powerful perspective with the world. Join us in this episode of Beyond the Art, where every brushstroke tells a story and every artist finds their path.

The artistic odyssey of Elizabeth James-Perry, a distinguished Wampanoag artist whose journey is steeped in cultural heritage and environmental consciousness. In our conversation, Elizabeth shares the poignant moment of receiving the NEA Heritage Award, a testament to her lifelong dedication to preserving native artistry. Her story is not just one of personal triumph but also of honoring a legacy—an interplay of perseverance and creativity passed down through generations. From the intricate craft of creating the Wampanoag leadership pendant to navigating the museum world, Elizabeth's experiences offer a profound insight into the challenges and joys of representing Native culture in today's world.Elizabeth opens up about the world of bead making, where ancient tradition intersects with modern craftsmanship. Her experiences range from the tactile beauty of antique beads to the personal satisfaction of creating her own Quahog beads. The episode takes a deeply personal turn as she describes her journey through art and science, revealing how her work as a Native scientist enriches her artistic expressions. Her participation in initiatives like the CW Morgan 38th Voyager Program and projects such as the sea turtle mound garden highlight the importance of integrating traditional ecological knowledge with contemporary practices.Art serves as a powerful conduit for preserving cultural identity, as Elizabeth passionately articulates. Our discussion underscores the transformative impact of native art on cultural connection and personal identity. By sharing stories and evoking ancestral memories, Elizabeth's work fosters a deeper understanding and appreciation for Indigenous heritage. As we explore her creative process and ambitions, you'll feel inspired by her commitment to uplifting Indigenous voices through art, aiming to inspire future generations with her love for the craft and dedication to cultural storytelling.

Despite a valiant effort by KOSU listeners and public media supporters nationwide, Congress has voted to rescind $1.1 billion from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. This money had already been promised and budgeted for at KOSU and public media stations across the country. Losing it is devastating, and one NPR estimate shows that roughly 18% of the country’s public radio stations will close imminently, and nearly a third of listeners would lose access to NPR programming. The rescission package is expected to be signed by President Trump soon, as he initially requested the move from Congress. To be clear, this does not mean KOSU is going away. Thanks to you, KOSU is set up well for the future. However, this loss of foundational funding will likely result in a reduction of programming or local news without additional support. What can I do to help? Support KOSU directly by making a donation, or increasing your existing monthly or annual gift.Sign up for email alerts from KOSUYou can do that hereSpread the word. Share this page Still have questions about how you can help? Please reach out to us at director@kosu.org.

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